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May 22 2008, 7:27 pm
By: Moose  

May 22 2008, 7:27 pm Moose Post #1

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Links of Interest
On Debating
http://jerz.setonhill.edu/writing/argument/building.html
How to build an arguement.
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html
How to build an arguement; also contains many logical fallacies and how not to commit them
The logic of the site is correct; the examples they use may offend you.

On Persuasion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_of_persuasion
The three components required for effective arguementation.
A. Credentials (Qualifications and why they are important.)
B. Emotions (The more emotion involved, the more powerful the message.)
C. Logic (If it's not logical, no one will listen to it.)

On Fallacies
On Logical Fallacies -- http://www.ramdac.org/fallacies.php
Fallacy Tutorial -- http://www.ramdac.org/fallacies.php
Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate -- http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html
Fallacy Files -- http://www.fallacyfiles.org/
Wikipedia's Article -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
All sites are equally valid; each contain an introduction on why logical fallacies are important and why you should avoid them. Read this portion at least once!

Thanks
Thanks to cheeze for the original SD rules post.

Post has been edited 5 time(s), last time on Jun 1 2008, 2:19 am by Mini Moose 2707.




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[02:58 pm]
Ultraviolet -- Symmetry
Symmetry shouted: Man I wish we had this tech back in the day when people played ums lmao
fr fr
[02:39 am]
Symmetry -- Man I wish we had this tech back in the day when people played ums lmao
[2026-7-16. : 6:28 am]
NudeRaider -- EUD actions, specifically. The conditions remained. Today we can even have actions again, but they're all virtualized/whitelisted (not sure on the actual technical implementation) so you can only use them for specific intended purposed, not arbitrary code injections.
[2026-7-16. : 6:26 am]
NudeRaider -- I mean yes, maps - through EUDs - were theoretically able to do that as well, but that was patched quickly.
[2026-7-16. : 6:25 am]
NudeRaider -- Symmetry
Symmetry shouted: Ohhh imagine a SC map that could delete itself
not the map, the editor
[2026-7-16. : 2:28 am]
Symmetry -- I vaguely remember Voy doing some ACE back in the day, but I had no idea EUDs could do that kind of shit. I am very much catching up on the technology
[2026-7-16. : 2:28 am]
Symmetry -- Ohhh imagine a SC map that could delete itself
[2026-7-15. : 8:51 pm]
NudeRaider -- Symmetry
Symmetry shouted: NudeRaider Is EUD editor capable of writing shit onto the player's harddrive? That seems like it would be dangerous
yeah an editor that isn't allowed to write files sounds rather pointless, so I'd assume it can. Like most other programs too btw. and yes, obviously that's dangerous, but also kinda necessary. MS introduced that virtualization for exactly that reason.
[2026-7-15. : 4:10 am]
Ultraviolet -- I don't think so. I think they shut that shit down after 1.16, maybe even earlier
[2026-7-15. : 2:19 am]
Symmetry -- NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouted: Symmetry I can't tell if it's relevant. You provided literally no context so I was providing an equally generic answer.
Is EUD editor capable of writing shit onto the player's harddrive? That seems like it would be dangerous
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